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fantasai
2010-11-13 07:24:58 UTC
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So, I just set up a fresh, clean install of my OS and I'm now
looking to install missing critical software. Which brings me
to Ion3, and you all.

The most up-to-date information I could find was on Wikipedia,
which points me at:
tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
the Notion fork: http://notion.sourceforge.net/
the Anion fork: http://code.google.com/p/anion3/

What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?

~fantasai
Thomas Themel
2010-11-13 08:47:57 UTC
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Hi,
Post by fantasai
tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
the Notion fork: http://notion.sourceforge.net/
the Anion fork: http://code.google.com/p/anion3/
What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?
Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin, so
it's just a copy of ion (without the history). It was useful back when tuomov
had withdrawn all the archives and there was no way to get the source, but now
I think we'd be better off it it went away and stopped confusing people.

Haven't tried anion, I'm still running off a local copy of ion-3plus's darcs
repo from back when tuomov was still hosting it.

ciao,
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Sergej Pupykin
2010-11-13 09:25:31 UTC
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Post by fantasai
tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
the Notion fork: http://notion.sourceforge.net/
the Anion fork: http://code.google.com/p/anion3/
What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?
Anion project is ion3+ copy with Xft patch, which can be switched on
or off while compiling.

Also this project contains ion3 archives and riot fixed for latest
ghc.
Sergej Pupykin
2010-11-13 09:28:39 UTC
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At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:25:31 +0300,
Post by Sergej Pupykin
Anion project is ion3+ copy with Xft patch, which can be switched on
or off while compiling.
Also it contains additional modules (xkb, xinerama, xrandr)
fantasai
2010-11-13 18:18:16 UTC
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Post by Sergej Pupykin
At Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:25:31 +0300,
Post by Sergej Pupykin
Anion project is ion3+ copy with Xft patch, which can be switched on
or off while compiling.
Also it contains additional modules (xkb, xinerama, xrandr)
Would it be possible to merge with Notion, or are there strong
philosophical or architectural differences here?

I'm concerned that forking the code in two different directions
will lead to
a) confusion for everyone
b) bugfixes of one not going into the other

I would prefer if Notion and Anion provided different make
configurations to provide their different feature sets (if
that's wanted), rather than forking the base, which would
benefit from having both developers maintain it together.

~fantasai

Thomas Themel
2010-11-13 10:55:15 UTC
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Hi,
Post by Thomas Themel
Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin, so
it's just a copy of ion (without the history).
Uh, what repository are you looking at?
The notion repo is can be found at sourceforge git,
http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=summary
It has the full ion history, some patches, and I actually checked in a bugfix
just 2 days ago.
Erm, sorry for badmouthing the project then - I based my comments on

http://code.google.com/p/notion/

which is quite dead, I had no idea there's a fairly active SourceForge project
of the same name.

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Arnout Engelen
2010-11-13 11:07:27 UTC
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Post by Thomas Themel
Post by Thomas Themel
Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin
so it's just a copy of ion (without the history).
Uh, what repository are you looking at?
The notion repo is can be found at sourceforge git,
http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=summary
It has the full ion history, some patches, and I actually checked in a
bugfix just 2 days ago.
Erm, sorry for badmouthing the project then - I based my comments on
http://code.google.com/p/notion/
which is quite dead, I had no idea there's a fairly active SourceForge project
of the same name.
No problem - I'll try and see if i can get hold of the google code project
owner.

(I never saw this project before - I'm not even sure it's the same 'notion', as
I don't see any code or information in that project at all...)


Kind regards,

Arnout
Arnout Engelen
2010-11-13 10:44:11 UTC
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Post by Thomas Themel
Post by fantasai
tuomov's archives: http://tuomov.iki.fi/software
the Notion fork: http://notion.sourceforge.net/
the Anion fork: http://code.google.com/p/anion3/
What should I be installing? And why are there two forks?
I was wondering about the same thing a while ago. While at that point notion
had little code, anion had been stalled for a good while also and notion
seemed much more active in terms of community interest and discussion.

Aside from the mailinglist, there is a #notion IRC channel - not very active,
but not completely dead either.
Post by Thomas Themel
Looking at notion's repo, it has exactly one commit, the initial checkin, so
it's just a copy of ion (without the history).
Uh, what repository are you looking at?

The notion repo is can be found at sourceforge git,
http://notion.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=notion/notion;a=summary

It has the full ion history, some patches, and I actually checked in a bugfix
just 2 days ago.


Kind regards,

Arnout
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