X is dead. Long live windows.

[Tuomo Valkonen]

The X we all knew is dying, and it's being killed by its developers.

As their latest onslaught, the Xorg dickheads have removed
SaveUnders from X. Expect flicker when dragging tabs or
moving windows under Ion and a new and rusy X. They want you
to implement and use a heavy memory, cpu, and battery-hungry
composite manager instead... and do not provide a generic
one worth shit.

They do not follow the original design of X and extend it;
they gradually replace everything with crap and remove the
old ways of doing things. Soon on their list will be core
the good old fonts, as they want you to use their blur-fascist
fantasies. It's impossible to keep up with the shit that the
FOSScracy throws at you, unless you're one of the big
corporate-sponsored projects that is already part of the FOSScracy.

The lamers even banned me from posting on the list. Censorship,
silencing the critique. Sure sing of an incompetent tyranny.


It was a good time to switch to Windows. X as we knew it will
soon no longer be.


Something to laugh at:

On the same tread, the fuckwits discuss how they need some way
to identify displays for DPI settings etc... after they removed
simple display identification by switching from the good old X
multihead o Xinerama/Xrandr crap.

[Lukas Grässlin]

Propably a stupid question, but:
Do you still work on ion or will you let it die (which would be very
sad, because it's the only window manager I can productively work with)

Regards,
Lukas

Am Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:03:42 +0000 (UTC)

Post by Tuomo Valkonen
The X we all knew is dying, and it's being killed by its developers.
As their latest onslaught, the Xorg dickheads have removed
SaveUnders from X. Expect flicker when dragging tabs or
moving windows under Ion and a new and rusy X. They want you
to implement and use a heavy memory, cpu, and battery-hungry
composite manager instead... and do not provide a generic
one worth shit.
They do not follow the original design of X and extend it;
they gradually replace everything with crap and remove the
old ways of doing things. Soon on their list will be core
the good old fonts, as they want you to use their blur-fascist
fantasies. It's impossible to keep up with the shit that the
FOSScracy throws at you, unless you're one of the big
corporate-sponsored projects that is already part of the FOSScracy.
The lamers even banned me from posting on the list. Censorship,
silencing the critique. Sure sing of an incompetent tyranny.
It was a good time to switch to Windows. X as we knew it will
soon no longer be.
On the same tread, the fuckwits discuss how they need some way
to identify displays for DPI settings etc... after they removed
simple display identification by switching from the good old X
multihead o Xinerama/Xrandr crap.

[Tuomo Valkonen]

Post by Lukas Grässlin
Do you still work on ion or will you let it die (which would be very
sad, because it's the only window manager I can productively work with)

I don't have the time to really work on it.. and it would all in
any case be wasted keeping up with the degradation of X and other
dependencies. In any case, I'll try to fix bugs (I still have a
cygwin X), although ATM the the VCS switch is still in progress,
and nothing really happening... it's too much pain to convert
a multi-repository project, the usual tools even fail on the
repositories thanks to the windows darcs being just broken...
which generally doesn't work nicely enough with cygwin to keep
using. (And there's no cygwin darcs, because GHC sucks.)

If there's going to be any new development on Ion -- and
it seems doubtful that I'll find the time and energy,
although I'd really like to see my Ion4 ideas implemented
and tested -- it would most likely be in the direction of
a Windows IDE: not even attempting to be a whole WM for
Windows, but rather just running some cooperative
apps/components (e.g. modified cygterm) in a nice
environment. That's how I use it now in any case:
as an "IDE" with xterms in it. It still depends on
X, however, which is something to remove from the loop.

But it's unlikely I'll find the time and energy...
I'd like to already move to the management department
and direct some code slaves. But what's more likely
and happening already, is an army of imitating monkeys,
all doing redundant work and producing shit due to
limited resources.

[James Eacret]

Tuomo -- I certainly respect your opinion. When it comes down to it,
this is your distribution list, and I would not be a part of it if I
did not want to read about your ideas and thoughts. So, I wish you do
not take offense to anything I am about to say. I do not want you to
think I am providing anything more than an ignorant view from a
desktop user.

It seems to me, that if this is what "killed" X, than Windows 95 was
the death of Windows. And if that had not done the trick, Windows ME
and Vista were two pointblank shots to the temple, leaving a rotting
carcass behind.

However, truth be told, I am not one to firmly state one OS is better
than another. I use both Windows XP and Linux and am quite happy. I
tend to think far to much energy is spent trying to convince others of
a particular operating system's superiority over another. I think all
have great features that can be utilized.

But, like I said, having very little in the way of true programming
experience, I am an ignorant, if not blissfully ignorant user. I just
see irony in you outlying the increase memory use, cpu power, and
battery consumption; my wife's new laptop with Vista is all that, and
more bothersome for me, it is way to colorful.

Post by Tuomo Valkonen
The X we all knew is dying, and it's being killed by its developers.
As their latest onslaught, the Xorg dickheads have removed
SaveUnders from X. Expect flicker when dragging tabs or
moving windows under Ion and a new and rusy X. They want you
to implement and use a heavy memory, cpu, and battery-hungry
composite manager instead... and do not provide a generic
one worth shit.
They do not follow the original design of X and extend it;
they gradually replace everything with crap and remove the
old ways of doing things. Soon on their list will be core
the good old fonts, as they want you to use their blur-fascist
fantasies. It's impossible to keep up with the shit that the
FOSScracy throws at you, unless you're one of the big
corporate-sponsored projects that is already part of the FOSScracy.
The lamers even banned me from posting on the list. Censorship,
silencing the critique. Sure sing of an incompetent tyranny.
It was a good time to switch to Windows. X as we knew it will
soon no longer be.
On the same tread, the fuckwits discuss how they need some way
to identify displays for DPI settings etc... after they removed
simple display identification by switching from the good old X
multihead o Xinerama/Xrandr crap.
--
In 1995, Linux was almost a bicycle; an alternative way of live to the
Windows petrol beasts that had to be taken to the dealer for service.
By 2008, Linux has bloated into a gas-guzzler, and the cycle paths
have been replaced with polluted motorways.

--
James D. Eacret
(حسن صباح)
I am the weapon that strikes, In the hearts of man I thrive, Feeding
their fear with lies, I will devour I will divide, I am the god of
hellfire, Inside every man there lives a liar, Before their gods they
cower, I will divide I will devour

Antichrist or harbinger of fate, Prophet and priest born of the
ancient rage, I will assassinate their way, Annihilation of the human
race

[Tuomo Valkonen]

Post by James Eacret
It seems to me, that if this is what "killed" X, than Windows 95 was
the death of Windows. And if that had not done the trick, Windows ME
and Vista were two pointblank shots to the temple, leaving a rotting
carcass behind.

Oh, no, there's no single one thing that killed X, but all the
recent actions to "modernise" (read: over-complexify) it:

http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/b/archives/2008/07/13/T18_03_06/

http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/b/archives/2008/03/20/T13_47_17/

http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/b/archives/2009/03/13/T16_46_57/

"DOS as a simple and manageable system was the high point of computing. XP
was a local maximum: the last OS with good fonts, and not even nearly as bad
as W95, around the release of which I switched from DOS to what can now
clearly be seen as the failure known as Linux/FOSS."

Post by James Eacret
But, like I said, having very little in the way of true programming
experience, I am an ignorant, if not blissfully ignorant user. I just
see irony in you outlying the increase memory use, cpu power, and
battery consumption; my wife's new laptop with Vista is all that, and
more bothersome for me, it is way to colorful.

Vista does suck in my experience... in vmware. But I use XP.
Windows 7 sees like in improvement.. based on vmware tests.

You can select a W98-lookalike theme in both Vista and W7,
and as a nice side effect blurring gets disabled.

[Tuomo Valkonen]

Post by Tuomo Valkonen
"DOS as a simple and manageable system was the high point of computing. XP
was a local maximum: the last OS with good fonts, and not even nearly as bad
as W95, around the release of which I switched from DOS to what can now
clearly be seen as the failure known as Linux/FOSS."

And unlike Linux from 2001 -- which didn't suck quite as much
as Linux 2009 -- Windows XP is still a widely-used and somewhat
supported operating system that you can actually use and run
new applications on.